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« on: December 18, 2007, 09:33:00 AM »

Are there bridges in the game? If so, I suppose they are roman inspired... Can we get some screenshots?

I ask these because roman bridges are typologically different that other bridges... It wouldn't be logical to see bridges with different-sized archs and that kind of stuff Tongue
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 09:42:25 AM »

Are there bridges in the game? If so, I suppose they are roman inspired... Can we get some screenshots?
One of the locations is a bridge. See the old map icons. Oscar is playing with it now. I'll ask him to post a shot or two when he's done. We used this bridge as our "concept art":


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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 11:24:34 AM »

That's one maginificent-looking bridge.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007, 01:59:43 PM »

Are there bridges in the game? If so, I suppose they are roman inspired... Can we get some screenshots?
One of the locations is a bridge. See the old map icons. Oscar is playing with it now. I'll ask him to post a shot or two when he's done. We used this bridge as our "concept art":

Incredible shot, and it's mostly a classical bridge, as far as I know. A strange (very strange) bridge but beautiful. I'd say there are neo classical points, but the shot is too far away. It doesn't really matter. As long as it has equally scattered archs (unlike medieval bridges, which normally have a bigger arch in the center), as long as it has protections (like, you know, that things in the borders so people don't fall off the bridge), as long as there's cobblestone in both sides of the river (to prevent the earth to become muddy) and as long as it has perfectly round archs (not broken archs as in medieval times), it can be considered a roman bridge (or roman inspired). Oh, and the passageway (the road over the river) HAS to be flat. Medieval bridges mostly always have an inverted V shaped passageway, don't have protections, have an impair number of archs (broken archs, always) and their center arch is usually larger.

Here's a common medieval bridge:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Roman_bridge_near_Covadonga_Spain.jpg/800px-Roman_bridge_near_Covadonga_Spain.jpg

It's called roman bridge but it's bullshit. Romans didn't have the broken arch, and ALWAYS used regularly scattered archs. Every arch was of the same size. The only thing that is not medieval in this bridge is, of course, the protection (they were throughoutly added in secs XVII and XVIII) and the small holes in the wall (medieval bridges don't commonly have it, as far as I know, roman bridges did have them, to alleviate the weight of the water when there were floods). Otherwise, it's pretty much a common medieval bridge. Inverted V, larger arch in the center, broken archs, the parts of the wall that touch the water are triangular, so the water shapes itself to it (roman bridges usually have quadrangular - or round - pillars). Medieval pillars are also build to the ground (they bend the course of the water to build them, as they don't build them in the middle of the river, as romans did), unlike roman pillars, which are, when the soils is too unstable, put on top of a wooden underwater structure, which, in turn, will support the bridge in that point.

Here's a common roman bridge:
http://www.worldbiking.info/images/romanbridge_spain.gif
This one has, as every single one of them, of course, been rebuilt over the years. You can see medieval touches, but it's still fairly typologically correct.

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_PCV_M/0_post_card_views_wane_-_numbered_musselburgh_the_roman_bridge.jpg
Another one that is also mostly roman.

http://www.syriagate.com/gallery/images/aleppo/al_roman_bridge.jpg
This one is in bad shape, but you can see the three equal perfect archs, and the round pillars.

http://www.alienbill.com/photos/album/06.portugal/087.b.roman%20bridge%20with%20manny,%20alex,%20marcos.jpg
In this one you can see the stonework, its not roman, but the shape of the bridge is. I've been there once, and, if I remember correctly, it's mostly medieval in itself. Only the archs are roman.

http://picturesfromturkey.com/images/47124%20Turkey%20Turkie%20Roman%20Bridge%202nd%20Cent%20AD%20On%20The%20Upper%20Euphrates%20River.jpg
This one is medieval, of course, despite the name.

http://www.ssaviours.org/BrunosPilgrimage/bp%20-%2099-09-34%20The%20last%20Roman%20Bridge%20-%20Furelos%20-%20before%20Santiago%20-%20maybe.jpg
Another medieval bridge. Quite nice Smile

http://www3.uakron.edu/modlang/99trip/images/0613c.jpg
This one's for the water (aqueduto in portuguese, I don't know the name in english), its not intended as a bridge, but it's very romanlike, of course.

Anyway, it's pretty clear what I mean. I just wouldn't like to see medieval-like bridges called roman bridges (or roman inspired). For the sake of acuteness...
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 02:35:15 PM »

Are there bridges in the game? If so, I suppose they are roman inspired... Can we get some screenshots?
One of the locations is a bridge. See the old map icons. Oscar is playing with it now. I'll ask him to post a shot or two when he's done. We used this bridge as our "concept art":

Incredible shot, and it's mostly a classical bridge, as far as I know. A strange (very strange) bridge but beautiful. I'd say there are neo classical points, but the shot is too far away. It doesn't really matter. As long as it has equally scattered archs (unlike medieval bridges, which normally have a bigger arch in the center), as long as it has protections (like, you know, that things in the borders so people don't fall off the bridge), as long as there's cobblestone in both sides of the river (to prevent the earth to become muddy) and as long as it has perfectly round archs (not broken archs as in medieval times), it can be considered a roman bridge (or roman inspired). Oh, and the passageway (the road over the river) HAS to be flat. Medieval bridges mostly always have an inverted V shaped passageway, don't have protections, have an impair number of archs (broken archs, always) and their center arch is usually larger.

Here's a common medieval bridge:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Roman_bridge_near_Covadonga_Spain.jpg/800px-Roman_bridge_near_Covadonga_Spain.jpg

It's called roman bridge but it's bullshit. Romans didn't have the broken arch, and ALWAYS used regularly scattered archs. Every arch was of the same size. The only thing that is not medieval in this bridge is, of course, the protection (they were throughoutly added in secs XVII and XVIII) and the small holes in the wall (medieval bridges don't commonly have it, as far as I know, roman bridges did have them, to alleviate the weight of the water when there were floods). Otherwise, it's pretty much a common medieval bridge. Inverted V, larger arch in the center, broken archs, the parts of the wall that touch the water are triangular, so the water shapes itself to it (roman bridges usually have quadrangular - or round - pillars). Medieval pillars are also build to the ground (they bend the course of the water to build them, as they don't build them in the middle of the river, as romans did), unlike roman pillars, which are, when the soils is too unstable, put on top of a wooden underwater structure, which, in turn, will support the bridge in that point.

Here's a common roman bridge:
http://www.worldbiking.info/images/romanbridge_spain.gif
This one has, as every single one of them, of course, been rebuilt over the years. You can see medieval touches, but it's still fairly typologically correct.

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_PCV_M/0_post_card_views_wane_-_numbered_musselburgh_the_roman_bridge.jpg
Another one that is also mostly roman.

http://www.syriagate.com/gallery/images/aleppo/al_roman_bridge.jpg
This one is in bad shape, but you can see the three equal perfect archs, and the round pillars.

http://www.alienbill.com/photos/album/06.portugal/087.b.roman%20bridge%20with%20manny,%20alex,%20marcos.jpg
In this one you can see the stonework, its not roman, but the shape of the bridge is. I've been there once, and, if I remember correctly, it's mostly medieval in itself. Only the archs are roman.

http://picturesfromturkey.com/images/47124%20Turkey%20Turkie%20Roman%20Bridge%202nd%20Cent%20AD%20On%20The%20Upper%20Euphrates%20River.jpg
This one is medieval, of course, despite the name.

http://www.ssaviours.org/BrunosPilgrimage/bp%20-%2099-09-34%20The%20last%20Roman%20Bridge%20-%20Furelos%20-%20before%20Santiago%20-%20maybe.jpg
Another medieval bridge. Quite nice Smile

http://www3.uakron.edu/modlang/99trip/images/0613c.jpg
This one's for the water (aqueduto in portuguese, I don't know the name in english), its not intended as a bridge, but it's very romanlike, of course.

Anyway, it's pretty clear what I mean. I just wouldn't like to see medieval-like bridges called roman bridges (or roman inspired). For the sake of acuteness...
That's a lot of info on bridges. Smile

Also, they're called aqueducts.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2007, 04:14:59 PM »

Thanks for the info, Morbus! Smile
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2007, 05:43:26 PM »

Always a pleasure  Grin There's more to it, though, I just don't have it all on my head. That's the basis, but maybe wikipedia has something else...
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2007, 06:16:24 PM »

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Also, they're called aqueducts.

Only the actual water-"pipes" are called aqueducts, the real name for the arched bridges is "arcuatio" or arcades. It's a very common misconception.
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2007, 12:16:30 AM »

Completely unrelated to the time period, but since Vince started this whole Bridge Porn thing, here's a very sexy bit of "Iron Gothic Revival" architecture. It would be cooler if it was fabricated with a magnesium-tungsten alloy and cores of selenium, but you can't have everything.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2007, 06:23:47 AM »

Dude, that's contemporaneous. It's nice, but it's SURELY not for AoD...

Besides, Gothic is medieval...
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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2007, 09:31:28 AM »

Dude, that's contemporaneous. It's nice, but it's SURELY not for AoD...

Besides, Gothic is medieval...

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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2007, 09:35:53 AM »

Please pardon my insolence...
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